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Old 02-22-2010, 01:47 PM
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Default Morality & Questions.

This method is theft, the way it's explained here (popping the same product of the target order page). You might try to rationalize it somehow, you'll probably never get caught, and it's unlikely that any law enforcement even cares, but it's still theft. Somebody else is spending time, effort, and money on bringing a paying customer to a merchant, and this method tries to steal the credit for the sale.

However, if you're targeting order pages and popping a different product, even a competing product, I think that's fine. It'd be like saying "hey wait, I have a better product than the one you're about to buy".

I have a few questions though:

::: If I don't do this method, are my sales being stolen by people who are? I am trying to figure out why this wouldn't be the case, aside from happening to promote a product that nobody has targeted yet. Though I suppose it wouldn't be all my sales, since some people will close that pop-up.

::: Or: Does another ad pop as a result of browsing to somebody's target from within a window that was already popped by the same adware? For instance: A user browses to somewhere that triggers my pop up, and they get interested and follow through within the same window. Can another person's order-page-targeted ad pop at this point? I hope the adware doesn't do this.

::: What kinds of offers can this method not be used on?

::: How can I tell if I'm promoting something that I won't get sales on due to others using this method on the same traffic source as me?

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Old 02-22-2010, 03:40 PM
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It's being done to this day by thousands of affiliates. You can certainly pop a competing product if that makes you feel better. This can be used on any offer really, I don't know of any that restrict it, (probably because they don't know about it).
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:08 AM
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My main concern is whether or not I'm losing significant revenue on the particular offers I'm running. If the offer is targetted in the same traffic engine, is it likely to make a significant effect on my efforts?

Right now I can't even check, because I have no spare computer here, and can't use virtual PC on this one.

By the way, coach, this wasn't meant as any sort of attack on or directed to any person.

I figure it's done by most people doing CPV. When I first found out about cpv, I had a little epiphany about doing almost exactly this. But a short while later I realized it's stealing, heh.

As for offers that it can't be used on, I didn't mean by restriction, rather some technical or logical restriction on how they work. I couldn't think of anything like that, but I'm still new
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:00 PM
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This issue is the reason why some won't use this traffic source. It's a personal call and I'm not judging anyone either way. It is most likely happening on popular offers you're running right now. That's why you see affiliates make a big stink about it if they catch it.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:47 PM
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its a matter of eat or be eaten in my book........
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its a matter of eat or be eaten in my book........
I agree. Business can be harsh. Nothing against business ethics. But sometimes there are many gray areas/ fine lines between ethics and being business smart/ competitive.
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Default Alright that's enough

For the past five years I've listened to people use that bullshit line..."It's a grey area".

That is nothing more than providing justification to your conscience that what you're doing is not right.

Grey area my ass....it's right or it's wrong...grow up an accept the responsibility for what you're doing.

Now don't misunderstand me. I am not passing judgement on anyone. I'm as wrong as as the next guy if I steal someone's sale. It's stealing and that's all there is to it.

Will I do it.....haven't decided yet....just read about it.

I was against rebills because I thought they were deceptive in hiding the rebill. Guess what, I'm running rebills, and they are sneaky in their hiding the rebill and yes I did see a solution on a site. I saw a review site for some rebill offers. At the bottom of the first page not hidden in the terms or anywhere else, was a clear statement of the amount that was going to be billed on each offer. I don't do that myself, but I thought it was a pretty honest way of presenting the offers.

This CPV method.....I'll have to think about it...but it isn't a grey area and you all know it. So man up or woman up and accept the responsibility and get on with it, but don't lie to yourself, its very unbecoming and is partly responsible for why this world is so *&^%$# up.

I'm going to catch Lucas yet.

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The good part is you get to choose what you do or don't do.

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Default excellant point

Very Good Point

You do get to decide what type of business you want, so choose wisely.

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I personally think I would rather be the robber than the robbed. I will use the money to sleep at night instead of worrying about losing half my sales to other crooks...that is when I find a way to make it all work as very new to this cpv stuff.
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