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Old 02-09-2010, 08:49 AM
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Question Several Questions

I've gathered up a few questions. Figure I'll just plop them all down right here in one post:

1. The Pop Ups.

a) How do the pop-up windows look and act?

b) Are they a normal browser window? Are they a stripped browser window (no buttons/menus/address bar)?

c) Do they pop up using the same browser process the user is using, or are they spawned as a new process (always a new IE window for example, even when using firefox)? Or are they not actually browser processes?

d) I know with MT they're 7xx by 5xx, but are the pops different sizes for each network?

2. Landing Page vs Restrictions.

a) How complex, or un-thin, does a landing page need to be in order to get around various restrictions? Can we drive traffic to a review site, which then links to vendors like amazon that don't like CPV traffic?

b) Would this work if it's a much simpler "landing page" like just enough content to fill up the pop up window itself? Does a super-thin LP let us link to offer pages with videos or other things they don't like in destinations?

3. Server power needed for tracker.

a) How powerful should my hosting be for running a this kind of traffic through the tracker? If I am using no LPs and just rotating the offers through the tracker, is my shared host (decent performing I guess) enough for this?

b) If not, what kind of stats do I need to look for in a hosting package? How much RAM, any particular amount of CPU, etc? A lot of VPS packages simply say "equal share" of cpu time, how can I know if it's enough?

c) How much HD space will be taken up by the database when it's seen many thousands of clicks?

d) How much bandwidth is needed for routing people through the tracker? I'd imagine it's minimal?

4. Starting testing campaigns.

Of course I want to get to the point where I'm "playing with the house's money" as quickly as possible. My budget is not huge.

a) Should I be aiming for eliminating URLs as quickly as possible within my budget, by testing fewer at a time? Would this be a faster route to profitability than letting a larger list run longer?

b) Does it matter how many days it takes to determine if a URL isn't going to convert? If it has enough traffic, should I just keep spending on it until I reach the cut off point or get a conversion? Another way of saying this: is the likelihood of conversion the same at every hour of every day? And another: If I get to the spending cutoff point in 2 hours, is that just as accurate of a measurement as getting there in 2 weeks?

c) In one of the videos I've watched, I remember hearing something like "if you spend $5 on a URL and it doesn't convert, delete it". The $5 amount was specified. It may have been the video I watched on PPC Coach that mentioned CPV and this site, or it could have been the walkthrough video here. But, this contradicts what I've read here and my own logic. It seems I should be basing the cut-off amount on the offer payout, right? At least half the offer amount, correct?

I think I have more questions, but I'll add them when I remember.

THANKS!
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:13 PM
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Default >>1. The Pop Ups

a) How do the pop-up windows look and act?
With different networks, they can be pop ups or popunders, or some let you specify. Typically they will pop right after the trigger url/keyword is hit by the web visitor.

b) Are they a normal browser window? Are they a stripped browser window (no buttons/menus/address bar)?
Somewhat smaller browser window, size again depends on the network. Width is typically in the 700pixel to 750pixel range.

I've noticed in firefox, depending on the network the window can be stripped to just show the landing page and scroll bars.

I've always seen normal browser windows when using IE, but I haven't tested all the CPV networks for this.

c) Do they pop up using the same browser process the user is using, or are they spawned as a new process (always a new IE window for example, even when using firefox)? Or are they not actually browser processes?
They are spawned as a new process from what I've seen. Since it is an actual program that is doing the popping, then pop up blockers don't seem to be able to stop the pops.

d) I know with MT they're 7xx by 5xx, but are the pops different sizes for each network?
Yes, I don't know the exact measurements of each, but they all seem to be around the 700-750 x 5xx.

Hope this helps.

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Old 02-09-2010, 03:19 PM
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Default >>2. Landing Page vs Restrictions.

I like to use simple landing pages with an obvious "click here" link for the visitor. Sometimes I make the page elements look similar to the site I'm targetting. Sometimes I make the page elements look like the offer I'm using.

My main goal is to get the visitor to click the page so they see the offer and then convert -- the better the conversions the better the page. I test a lot.

For merchant pages, I like to use ones that have most of the message contained in the 700 width.

Each network has their own restrictions. Usually they don't like exit pops or adult content on the landing pages. Some allow video or audio, some don't. It's best to look at each network's restrictions so that you know exactly what that network likes, and then don't try to break their rules.

-Aaron
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:47 PM
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Default >>3. Server power needed for tracker

I know it sounds cliche -- but the more powerful the server, the better. The thing to do is to get more power along the way, as your campaigns expand.

I started off with a host gator server reseller type of account and was paying around $25 a month. This would be a minimum. It did fine for me, but I know you can find more power than this server had, even at $25 a month.

I then had a hybrid server at jaguarpc.com. This does really well and is around $100 per month. This can get you by for a while, even at 10,000-15,000 pops a day.

Now I have a dedicated server at $225 a month and it handles 40,000 daily pop ups no problem.

Eventually the database fills up with several million impressions tallied and starts to slow things down on your lower priced servers. It can take a while to get a million impressions, so you have plenty of time to make changes when that happens.

A way to solve this is to download the mysql database to your local computer and clean out those records that slow it down, or you can start a new tracker install on the same server (in a different folder) and start the counting all over again. You want to do this around the 500,000 impressions count -- but starting out, it can take a while to hit this many and by then you'll have everything figured out.

-Aaron
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:13 PM
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Default >> 4. Starting testing campaigns

I test a lot and have tested many offers in the past. I cut my teeth on Horoscopes and that helped me to learn the skills I needed to try other offers.

Look at what's popular and find offers to match (ask your CPA network AM about what offers do well and have high epc). Take an old computer and install adware on it and then look around, a lot.

You'll start to see some trends and things will come into focus.

Take care,

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Old 02-10-2010, 02:30 PM
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Aaron has it all down pat.

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Thanks a bunch!

After reading a lot of Aaron's posts, I suggest him as an assistant coach, if there's any room for one of those here with the small membership base. Heheh.
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After reading a lot of Aaron's posts, I suggest him as an assistant coach, if there's any room for one of those here with the small membership base. Heheh.
Thanks for the kind words.

As far as "assistant coach"... actually I kinda am, if I can go as far as saying that

Coach asked if I'd moderate here and help out. I don't play the game nearly as well as the Coach -- but if I can be of help, I'd be glad to do so.

The Coach and so many others here have helped me, I figure it's time to return the favor.

If I could offer one bit of advice, keep testing and don't give up. It will get difficult at first, then it gets better...

-Aaron
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Yep Aaron is a moderator here.

He's been here a long long time and knows his stuff.

We've got to change your title though.
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