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Old 02-22-2010, 10:15 AM
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Default Several quesions: Testing bids. Strange competing targets. A 100% conversion URL?

Test bidding:
All but one URL out of the several hundred I have run are just getting a trickle of traffic. The one that got lots I turned off after spending about $18 on. But most of them I only rarely have the highest bid for. Some I never do, because it's ridiculously high like over 30 cents.

::: If I bid 3 cents, and the next guy is at 1.6, do I pay 1.6 or 3?

::: If I'm bidding 3 cents, and I see the competition around 7 cents, does this mean I'm not likely to ever see traffic?

::: Should I bid higher to get real data in a reasonable time frame?

::: Should I care much about bid management when testing a batch of URLs? Maybe just bid high and let 'er run until there's some useful feedback?


Strange competing target bids:
A competing bid on 'ning' is affecting URLs of mine that contain words like burning, running, abstaining, beginning, blackening, planning... (etc, etc) There are others of similar nature, which end up affecting many of my URL targets. In some of my campaigns, I might have 30-70% of my URLs effected by things like this.

The bids on these partial string matches are varying wildly by the hour. The same one might range from 2.5 cents to 60+ cents over the course of a day. And of course since I'm on the other side of the planet right now, I can't ensure my bids are good during most of the day US time.

Who's doing this? Are people making money like this? Is it brand building? Is it some crazy kind of testing? Seems like bidding 60+ cents on a very common string would cost a fortune.

Is there any sort of strategy or method to work around this, or otherwise deal with it? I don't want to bid on every URL containing "nsuranc", but it's a huge pain to individually change the bid each of my targets that do contain the string.

::: If I should firmly outbid these weird partial string competitors while testing, is there an easier way than going to each target in the campaign editor without bidding on the string itself?

I'm only using mediatraffic right now, until I find some winners.

Another thing:
I got 100% conversion on one URL. But I only got one view. I found I was bidding about 1/3 of the competing bid, so I upped my bid to beat it. Still only got a couple more views in a couple days. I just now looked at the target outbid report, this target isn't showing. But I checked the target in the campaign view and saw that I am being outbid by 0.001. Why would it not show me that in the outbid report?
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Old 02-22-2010, 05:38 PM
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Each network will be different in how the precentages of traffic are divided to bidders #2-#6, but even if you're not the high bid on a specific target, you might still get some traffic.

Sometimes it works to bid low, and over time, adjust your bids slightly upward each day (or every 4 hours), until traffic starts to come in at just enough volume to adequately test without breaking the bank.

I have bid targets where I'm #2 or #3 and the campaigns are profitable -- at the #1 bid they are not. I also have bid targets where I'm #16 and still get enough traffic for testing purposes.

Looks like you're talking about MediaTraffic here, and the outbid thing drives me crazy when someone else outbids you due to a part of their url target being contained in your url target.

I don't raise my bids due to this outbidder, without first knowing what I'm competing against on this target. So I take my MediaTraffic infected computer and see what is being promoted on the target that is outbidding me.

You can find out a lot of information this way, and then decide if you want to raise your bid or an other action you want to take.

You can run all your bids at #1, and I also do this at times -- just make sure you set a campaign budget that you can afford. Be sure to quickly delete any target that drains your budget without any sales. Afterwards... I will delete any non-performing target after 2-4 weeks.

With MediaTraffic, I delete even sooner. If a target doesn't perform in 7 days, it's out -- that's just me as I now do this because of the increased competition with cpv lately. Others that are also successful with cpv, handle this differently and may exercise more patience than I do.

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Old 02-23-2010, 04:15 AM
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I don't raise my bids due to this outbidder, without first knowing what I'm competing against on this target. So I take my MediaTraffic infected computer and see what is being promoted on the target that is outbidding me.

You can find out a lot of information this way, and then decide if you want to raise your bid or an other action you want to take.
I really want to do this. I know it would be invaluable. But I only have a laptop with me where I am now, and this laptop can't run virtual PC. Windows 7 requires Virtualization Technology in order to run virtual PC, the CPU in this doesn't have VT

I'm going to check if VirtualBox will work.
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If you're serious about this, go buy a used laptop for $100 and install the adware on it.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cpv-coach View Post
If you're serious about this, go buy a used laptop for $100 and install the adware on it.
I'd love to, heheh. But I'm here(click). Used computer equipment is not common or cheap in this region. Most locals who get on the internet use internet cafes filled with 15 year old CRT monitors. Netbooks that cost $200 in the US are $500+ here.

Just for kicks: my ping to google.com is averaging about 2000ms right now, hahaha.

Anyways, when I get back home I won't need to buy one. My machine there can run a pile of virtual PCs without a problem, and the connection is blistering fast.

Oh, I still need to try virtual box though.
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In case somebody searches about the topic: VirtualBox worked fine, I was able to install another copy of windows on it, on that laptop without virtualization technology. Was able to install vomba and view the competing ads there.
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Nice. Glad to see it worked.

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