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Old 05-28-2008, 09:56 PM
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Coach,

I'm having a moral dilemma. It's discouraging to see a big sticky on Gauher's ppvf forum titled, "BETRAYED BIG TIME BY ONE OF OUR OWN". It's tough to go in there and see that sticky post so prominent in the General forum.

Do you owe us or me an explanation? I don't know. Sometimes I think yes, since we are paying members and you said to me in a PM that this was all good with Gauher.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just need to know that you aren't the greedy person they make you out to be. Sorry for the harsh words.

I don't have a problem standing up for you in there, as there are two sides of every situation. I just need to know that I've got good reason to. You've provided a great forum at ppc-coach and now this one is very promising. I'm excited to see how we help each other succeed. But when someone I highly respect like Gauher is flamed over this ppvcoach membership site, I cannot help but think he's got very valid points.

Sorry guys if I'm having a moment of weakness here. I just need to hear from Coach.

I can understand that you'll want to delete this post some time, but please leave it up until the matter is satisfactory with your members.
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thanks for sharing ppceve, that must have been tough. I know nothing about Gauher and I've never been a member of ppv.

I haven't read the post he made but what could he hope to achieve by slagging off Will????

None of this stuff is copywrite protected. Does he want all ppv to go through him?? I'm a little confused, what was his accusation against Will?
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Harry,

I wondered the same thing a while back when there was talk about 'clearing' it with Gauher. So nobody in the world can discuss or have a site about PPV except him?

I am confused as well.

Tom
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What Gauher has done with his post is turn a whole forum against Will based on what they think this site is about. And I agree Eve it has made me feel uncomfortable too and I haven't posted on the PPVF forum since. I don't like that kind of 'witch hunt' mentality.

And personally I don't really understand it.

How can it be 'OK' with Gauher to allow PPC-Coach and to even promote it to his members but not PPV-Coach? PPC-Coach doesn't imitate PPC Formula, it provides an alternative service and way of doing things. And to me its the same with PPV-Coach - it provides a different service to PPV Formula (the tracker is central to it as is the one on one help - something that Gauher doesn't offer).

The only difference is that PPV is supposed to be a big secret. You only have to go to the Warrior Forum or the torrent sites that Harry listed in PPC-Coach to know that it isn't a secret (I don't know if Gauher knows about the torrent sites but that to me is way more serious as someone has copied the whole thing and put it out there for anyone to grab for free).

How to make the most of PPV is the hard part and I guess that's what Gauher sees as the secret part. But his course doesn't have all the answers or necessarily offer the best strategies, its just his take on it. With PPV-Coach we're getting a different view on how to do things which may or may not work for each one of us.

Lets face it, nearly every IM product out there is derived from something else that has gone before and hopefully, is a newer, improved version.

By promoting it as a secret Gauher has created a very loyal group of members who are thanking him for taking their money. Which is kind of amazing when you consider all the delays with getting the information and access to PPV Dominator.

In general, I like Gauher's products but I've been very disappointed with the way this whole PPV thing has been handled.

Jill
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yah,

i remember that post from eve on ppc-coach.com. i actually noted her question and inferred that coach's response was that it was ok by gauher from her response. coach, did you actually get it ok'd by him? i don't see why you would need to do that, but i guess what's in question whether or not you did.

eve, are you sure that it's coach gauher's sticky is referring to?

this forum is invaluable and a value as far as i'm concerned at this point. how does it compare to gauher's eve or anyone else?

i think ego and exclusivity have no place in an open market, but i do understand and respect eve's moral dilemma as she's explained it.

- lucas
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The only difference is that PPV is supposed to be a big secret. You only have to go to the Warrior Forum or the torrent sites that Harry listed in PPC-Coach to know that it isn't a secret (I don't know if Gauher knows about the torrent sites but that to me is way more serious as someone has copied the whole thing and put it out there for anyone to grab for free).
saw that a few weeks ago and i think they are all password protected.
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Originally Posted by espresso View Post
What Gauher has done with his post is turn a whole forum against Will based on what they think this site is about. And I agree Eve it has made me feel uncomfortable too and I haven't posted on the PPVF forum since. I don't like that kind of 'witch hunt' mentality.

And personally I don't really understand it.

How can it be 'OK' with Gauher to allow PPC-Coach and to even promote it to his members but not PPV-Coach? PPC-Coach doesn't imitate PPC Formula, it provides an alternative service and way of doing things. And to me its the same with PPV-Coach - it provides a different service to PPV Formula (the tracker is central to it as is the one on one help - something that Gauher doesn't offer).

The only difference is that PPV is supposed to be a big secret. You only have to go to the Warrior Forum or the torrent sites that Harry listed in PPC-Coach to know that it isn't a secret (I don't know if Gauher knows about the torrent sites but that to me is way more serious as someone has copied the whole thing and put it out there for anyone to grab for free).

How to make the most of PPV is the hard part and I guess that's what Gauher sees as the secret part. But his course doesn't have all the answers or necessarily offer the best strategies, its just his take on it. With PPV-Coach we're getting a different view on how to do things which may or may not work for each one of us.

Lets face it, nearly every IM product out there is derived from something else that has gone before and hopefully, is a newer, improved version.

By promoting it as a secret Gauher has created a very loyal group of members who are thanking him for taking their money. Which is kind of amazing when you consider all the delays with getting the information and access to PPV Dominator.

In general, I like Gauher's products but I've been very disappointed with the way this whole PPV thing has been handled.

Jill
very informative for someone like me who has NO IDEA who gauher even is. thanks jill for providing an alternate view of the other side.

- lucas
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I'm not sure what to make of the whole thing. I'm glad that you guys and gals have chimed in to express your points. I really do like this group of people that Coach has brought together with first ppc-coach and now ppvcoach. I've been a member of Gauher's forum since the first day it opened up, but I was not successful with ppc until I was a member of ppc-coach.

Not all credit goes to Coach, though, since I've been through a lot to get to where I could finally understand and accept the concepts of ppc. But then again timing is everything, so I do credit Coach for enlightening me with the final "ah ha".

I don't want to rehash the post at ppvf, as it's not my place to pour it out here. That wouldn't be fair.

But I will say that I was concerned about ppvcoach opening up because of the circumstances surrounding it, as explained in Gauher's big betrayal post. There were seeming lies and misrepresentations on Will's part, according to Gauher. And I do feel personally misled by Will when he told me himself that Gauher was fine with ppvcoach. That was the condition in which I had joined, because I respect Gauher for making this traffic source available to his list. He could have kept his mouth shut instead of sharing it with his current ppcf members.

Without Gauher's initial announcement of this traffic source, would Will have created ppvcoach at the time that he did? It seems very unlikely. Gauher had presented it back at the end of last summer. Where was Will and his plans at that time? Was Will a member of ppcf by then? I haven't verified, but I think he was, since the original 30-min video from Gauher was released then and those were the people that would get the course for free. And I know for a fact that Will was getting that course at no charge.

Ok. It's starting to sound like I don't like Will, which is not the case. But the longer he stays silent about this issue, the worse my perspective gets of him. Just come out already and settle it. I PM'd you before I made this post public. You've obviously been on the forum, since you made a post after my PM, and I've still not had a reply from you.

Guys, I'm seriously considering asking for my money back, because I'm not about basing my success on guilt or bad interpersonal relationships. If so, I'm sorry to leave as I know you are a great bunch. I'm not that active in the forums but I do read your posts. And I personally prefer this group over the groups at Gauher's. That statement might come back to bite me, but it's how I really feel.

If you want to contact me in the future, it's my forum name for both skype and gmail. Plus, I'll be putting up a website some time, so it will be my forum name with a .com at the end.

We'll see how things turn out. It's up to Coach to own up. He might reply shooting down my post and perspective. If he does, that's my obvious que to bow out. If he approaches us professionally, then I'll be the first one to give him my respect.

Gauher believes very much in karma. I have to say that I'm into that too. I don't want to be around any negativity or distrust, because that's not how I want to conduct my life. I'd have to side with Gauher. To this day, he's never once misled me in any way.

No, the traffic source doesn't belong to one person, but I'm talking about the timing, availability of someone else's knowledge, the convenience of launching a high-priced membership site at a specific point in time. Has this success come as a result of Gauher's initiation? And was there misrepresentation to a potential member? I have to wonder these things.

I didn't conduct my due diligence by asking Gauher myself. Some will say in hind sight that I should have. But I chose rather to trust Will at his word. It turned out that that was my bad.
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i just have to say that i love reading a well phrased and thought out posts which is what i'm seeing here from everyone.

cheers to everyone's posts and responses thus far. i just enjoy and appreciate thoughtfulness. thanks.

- lucas

p.s. - eve are you the same on ppc-coach with the entrepreneur loan sig? i love that idea.
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eve,

give coach a chance to respond too though. he's pretty busy as we all are, but give him a chance.

- lucas
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