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Old 10-17-2008, 06:24 PM
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Question Coach's Method vs. Sniper Method? Help Please...

Let me define these first. I consider "Coach's Method", the one he walks us through in the "A to Z

Video" on this forum. It's also described in the ClickBooth webinar. So basically we're going big

and broad. Let's use dieting as our example. With Coach's method I would login to one of my aff networks, grab all the dieting offers and put them in a rotation package, and then bid on URL's related to "dieting" and "weight loss" keywords.

My take on the "Sniper" Method, as mentioned by Harry and proven to work by Particles, is that you basically just bid on the Page One listings (both organic and paid) for whatever keyword you're promoting. The example used in the original post is Acai Berry. So I would grab an Acai Berry dieting offer and then bid on URLs that come up for Acai Berry.

I guess what I'm most confused about is when/if to rotate offers. Say I'm launching a new campaign about a specific weightloss product. Let's call it ColonCleanse2000. Would I then bid on URLs related to just "ColonCleanse2000" and just show them this offer? Or would you recommend bidding on more general keywords and then including all the dieting products I can find in a rotation package using the tracker.

I hear a lot of chatter about testing in small batches. Do these small batches include rotating the Coach's suggested 10 offers?

If I'm testing small batches, wouldn't it make more sense to show them very specific offers?

Harry and others mention that they launch 10 campaings a day. Harry says he can do this in one hour. That doesn't even seem humanly possible to me. Barely seems possible to create 10 campaigns in a day. I think I'm doing something wrong or am confused about launching campaigns.

-Drew
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Old 10-17-2008, 08:56 PM
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I'm in the same boat. I've used the sniper method, list-maker tool here, and a few other keyword tools/ideas ... I've put together about 200 campaigns so far in various niches and haven't hit a profitable one yet. Tracking is not a problem. Just can't seem to hit the converting targets ...
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You can add me to the list also...takes me forever to get a campaign together, locating 5 related offers to rotate with at least one without an exit pop and audio. I get very few impressions targeting the exact url order pages and even when targeting the main url sometimes. No conversions yet and I'm on my second month of this.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:21 AM
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I should have added to my post above that I'm sure persistance pays off...and people most likely fail because they give up when they get to this point.

Soooo...i keep plugging along, throwing up more campaigns and trying new targets.

When I do go to a highly targeted site but not the order page, I get too many impressions, it costs more money to get in high position since others are bidding on it, and I still end up with no conversions and end up killing it after 1k impressions or so.

I'm curious about those who have been here since for more than 3 months if they went through this in the beginning first couple of months or how long it took them to start making a profit?

At least it's cheap traffic to test unlike ppc.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:25 AM
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Slaughter and Lycos, What networks are you working with right now? I'm only using MT and AdonNet so far.
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MT and Zango
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Hey Guys,

I'm still in my first month. A week or two then I'm into month two.

With PPV so far, I've generated roughly $1,500 - $1,800 profit.

I JUST joined TrafficVance the past week, and have 2 campaigns.

Here's the stats for those:

Campaign 1: (Smaller, didn't go all out)

Spent:
$50.03
Earned: $63.00

I think there's one particular URL that's draining most of my budget and getting most of the impressions. I'm not sure if it's even converted - will have to check shortly.

Campaign 2: (Large - went all out. About 1300 targets. 1250 are URLs - Just added keywords today and haven't got them approved yet)

Spent: $19.76
Earned: $96.00

I'm surprised I'm not getting more traffic with TV for the second campaign, seeing as how I have about 1,200 more targets than my first campaign, but I just started using keywords and I can already see more people are using keywords in this particular niche. So, I may get a boost in traffic soon...

I thought about typing up a huge response on exactly how I've done everything, etc - but I already did that kinda and I'm going to make some videos soon. Just waiting for coach's reply.

But, my main point would be that it's surely possible to profit right off the bat, as you can see with my stats. I haven't even begun to weed out the weeds in those 2 campaigns.

And right now, I only have 7 campaigns going. All are profiting. I never thought about making 10 campaigns an hour, let alone a day! Good idea...

Haha
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:47 AM
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I'm using MT only. For some reason, after reading through all the posts when I first started, I though that they had most traffic and we should start there and then move the winning campaigns over to the others and use TV last since they require a $500 deposit. But I could be wrong.
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lycos View Post
I'm using MT only. For some reason, after reading through all the posts when I first started, I though that they had most traffic and we should start there and then move the winning campaigns over to the others and use TV last since they require a $500 deposit. But I could be wrong.
I guess that would depend on your budget. If you can afford it - Just open up an account on all the networks. Apparently TrafficVance converts the best. I haven't gone negative on any campaigns with them yet - so that's a good sign.

I think Zango has the most traffic with MediaTraffic close behind, but I'm not 100% sure.

But, I think I remember some people talking about how one thing may convert differently on another. So you may transfer a bad performing campaign over to a different network, and it becomes a winner! But with that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if you transferred a winner over to a diff. network and it ends up failing...

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Old 10-19-2008, 03:39 PM
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Hi:

coming back to he original question about "sniper approach" or going "broad";

my biggest hurdle is "between my ears" when it comes to "testing" everybody talks about about it and I am wondering if I am the only one "not getting it"


Whenever you test something ( really can be anything online, offline ) in order to make sense of the results you have to have ONE variable and One fixed value in order to make sense of the results.

I can only think of 2 methods to do this:

1. you keep your offer constant and your keywords/url's are now the variable

2. you keep your keywords/url's constant and now you variable becomes the different offer rotations.

There might not be a right or wrong answer to this. It seems like case #1 would lend itself to the "broad" method.

But then again I could be completely wrong and I can't wait for the day "my penny" finally drops
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